Jay Cooke

If you are a recipient of DRC services (your subcontractor is not charging you VAT), and if you are not the end user, then you reverse charge the subcontractors invoice. The subcontractor invoice will not have any VAT charge but it should show the VAT rate and amount of VAT that you have to reverse charge. To reverse charge, you declare the VAT shown on subcontractors invoice in Box 1 of your VAT return and then also reclaim the same amount in Box 4 (so it goes in and out on same return, net effect is Nil), you also record the net value in Box 7. I assume you are a fully taxable business and can reclaim all your input tax (ie, you are not partially exempt). When you come to invoice your customer, if your customer is an end user then you charge VAT as normal. If your customer is not an end user then you invoice them without VAT (your invoice shows the VAT rate and amount of VAT that the customer has to declare). Detailed technical guidance here https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-reverse-charge-technical-guide

Reverse charge only applies to services in this context. Goods entering the UK from abroad will be subject to import VAT, so I would expect the sole trader to receive an invoice from the freight agent (DHL, FedEx, Royal Mail) before the goods are delivered... unless sole trader gets lucky and the goods slip through the customs net and the goods are delivered with nothing else to pay (ie, lucky chance). Reverse charge services count towards VAT registration threshold, so if you were buying in services from outside the UK, the value of those purchases are added to the sole traders turnover and that could mean if sole trader buys significant services from abroad, they could end up having to register for UK VAT as a result.

James. Has your German supplier confirmed to you whether they will be charging you German VAT or not? Suggest you get confirmation from them first as you may have a bigger issue to contend with. You have to look at this transaction in slow motion....i) USA places order with you in UK, ii) you place order with supplier in Germany, iii) Germany ships those goods to USA. Technically, you (UK) take possession of the goods in Germany. At the time the goods are shipped to USA, the German supplier no longer owns the goods, they've sold them to you (UK) and then shipped your goods to the USA. Because you take possession of those goods in Germany, i) the Germans should charge you German VAT as they are not exporting anything, they are making a domestic German sale from their warehouse in Germany to you in Germany. Then when the goods ship from Germany, as you own those goods in Germany, this triggers a German VAT registration for the UK company. As the UK entity now has a German VAT registration, the purchase does not hit your UK VAT return, not does the sale, however, both the purchase and sale would need to be declared on your German VAT return. Overseas costs such as hotels do go into Box 7, see here for HMRC's detailed guidance (section 4) link below. You cannot reclaim foreign VAT on your UK VAT return, so record the gross value in Box 7, that way come year end and working out profits to declare under corporation tax, you will have included the irrecoverable VAT elements as part of your cost of sale/expenditure. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-fill-in-and-submit-your-vat-return-vat-notice-70012#para-4

Read the HMRC guidance. You have to determine if there is a supply being made by the CIC in return for money (grant). Donations are freely given with nothing in return, donations are fairly straightforward in determining the VAT treatment, but if say a local company donates £5,000 of football kit to the CIC and the football kit as the companies branding on it, that is not a donation, that is advertising, the company is paying to have their names on the kit. Grants can be more complex, you have to read and understand the contract or agreement by which the funds are coming to you, what are you doing in return for this money? For example, if the local council give you money to advise Council tenants on rent arrears then you are supplying a debt advisory service to the Council, but if the Council gives you money to help and advise anyone who has debt problems and the Council simply wants an update as to how many people you've helped, then that is more likely outside the scope of VAT/not counting towards the VAT threshold. You may need to seek advice from an Accountant or write to HMC and seek a non-statutory clearance giving as much detail as possible, it will be difficult for HMC on this forum to give you an accurate answer as HMRC would need to understand more detail about the funding, where its from, why it is been given, who benefits, etc.

The deregistration threshold is a rolling 12 month test, same process as the registration. Look back 12 months from end of August 2023 and if your turnover is below £83,000 then you can deregister for VAT. You cannot deregister until you go below that threshold. You should therefore start looking backwards to find out when you can deregister, do not wait until the end of your financial or calendar year. If the conditions have been met, you can deregister online via your gateway https://www.gov.uk/register-for-vat/cancel-your-registration Once deregistered any sales from your deregistration date are no longer subject to VAT. When you do deregister, you may have to repay input tax previously reclaimed when you were VAT registered. In essence, any stock or asset where the combined value is more than £5,000 net, would mean you have to declare output tax on these items when you deregister. If your stock/assets is less than £5k then there is nothing to declare to HMRC. So if you bought a van or pickup, reclaimed the VAT, when you deregister chances are it'll be worth more than £5k and so output tax due, but if you bought some hand tools and a filing cabinet, these aren't going to be worth much and so nothing to declare. Follow the link above for more information.

You can only ever reclaim input tax if you hold a valid VAT invoice or VAT receipt - this rule applies to any purchase made by a VAT registered business. For example, a sale person has a coffee and sandwich during the day, they can submit an expense claim to be reimbursed their costs but unless they also supply a receipt from the shop, then the business cannot reclaim the VAT. Coming back to fuel, you do not need to be too clinical about this, as long as the employee supplies you with a receipt that is within a reasonable date range then that should be fine. As long as the receipt is dated before the business trip is sufficient and yes, the receipt might be for £100 of diesel but the employee only using £5 of diesel for their business trip, it doesn't matter, what matters is the business has a VAT receipt from petrol station dated on or before the journey. There is a reason why every petrol station you visit always asks if you want a VAT receipt. Yes, the amounts of VAT could be very small for a small business with 1-2 employees and chances are HMRC will not spot these during a VAT inspection, but chances of being spotted is not the same as following the rules, so if there are occasional missing receipts then its risky but unlikely to cause a HMRC meltdown, but if the values are higher and missing receipts are regular, then it leaves the business at risk of HMRC seeking repayment of that VAT. Guidance here, scroll down halfway https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/vat-input-tax/vit55400

Ruby Place (Aberdeen) is the address used for non-established businesses who require a UK VAT registration, so the fact your VAT registration is shown as being at Ruby Place confirms that you are a non-established business. The Ruby Place address was formally known as the NETPU (Non-Established Taxable Persons Unit) and this team processed registrations for foreign businesses. If you (Director) are resident overseas, there is an argument that the UK company is not established in the UK on the basis establishment can mean physical presence such as an office or employees but also where the control of the business is and if you as Director are not UK resident, then the UK entity is under foreign/overseas control. Suspect that as your principal place of business is Portugal, this is why you have the Ruby Place address. You may be best to contact the HMRC via email vatchangeofcircs@hmrc.gov.uk or vrs.newregistrations@hmrc.gov.uk on the basis you've not filed a VAT return as yet. Explain your situation and await a reply, it might take several days/weeks so be patient. If you are UK established, you have £85k of turnover before you need to register for VAT, if you are not UK established then the threshold is Nil. Amazon see you as non-established due to your address. Amazon are responsible for collecting VAT where a trader sells on their platform and is not VAT registered, this responsibility was with effect from 01 January 2021. You should contact Amazon and explain your situation to them, a lot of Amazon is AI/automated processes and so where things are a little different, their systems don't work so well. If you've already sent them your VAT certificate (with the Aberdeen address), then you're going to have to deal with HMRC first.

have you tried emailing the EORI team directly with a brief summary of what you want to do (you want to link your old EORI to your new/current VAT number) ISBC.eoricontact@hmrc.gov.uk You can only reclaim pre-registration VAT if you still had on hand/in stock, the items you are trying to reclaim VAT on. This is no different to if you bought some bricks and glass before registration and you have since used those bricks and glass to build a house or office, when you then come to register for VAT, do you have these items still in stock/on hand? No you do not, you've used them on a job, so you cannot reclaim the VAT on these purchases, the same logic applies for imported goods. If you do still have the items on hand/in stock at time of registration, for example, you may have bought a van or imported a machine which you are still using today, in that scenario then yes you can reclaim the VAT/import VAT. You should also consider registering for CDS and postponed import VAT https://www.gov.uk/guidance/get-your-postponed-import-vat-statement as that way, you do away with having to pay import VAT upfront and then reclaim it later via C79.

The link HMRC sent you is correct. It is not helped by the fact that the guidance doesn't actually make reference to VAT because the advisory fuel rates are used for other taxes (payroll, etc) as well and that yes, it does say company car, however, we also use the same tables for VAT reclaim purposes for personally owned cars (even though it says you can't). It has always been contradictory guidance. If we take the September 2023 rates for diesel and assuming it is a 2litre diesel and claimed 100 business miles :- 1600cc or less 12 pence 1601cc to 2000cc 14 pence Over 2000cc 19 pence The calculation for input tax reclaim is :- 19p (advisory fuel rate for 2lt diesel) x 100 (miles) x 1/6 (VAT inclusive) so £3.16 of VAT can be reclaimed but you must have fuel receipts as proof of purchase from the employee. I am sure HMRC Admin will come along and confirm this for added reassurance.

Have a read of this internal guidance from HMRC https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/vat-registration-manual/vatreg25350 It is not clear from your post, whether the wrong date is as a result of HMRC's error or your own. If HMRC have made the error then it should be fairly simple for HMRC to correct (their error), but if you put the wrong date on the application form then that is your error and you need to convince HMRC to fix your error. If you made an error on the application, HMRC have some discretion to allow a correction, but you are looking at a technical point of law which does not allow a business to change their EDR once it has been set. Emotion will not work here, facts matter most. As a VAT professional, I can assure you that I regularly see businesses seeking a historical VAT registration date, there are many reasons (sometimes because there is a monetary advantage and sometime because they failed to register for VAT at the right time). I appreciate the people you have spoken to have said "it is clearly a mistake", but I challenge that and so is it a mistake? It is common for a newly incorporated business to seek a VAT registration in line with their incorporation date. It is also common for a new company to wait awhile to see levels of trade before deciding to register for VAT and at that future point, the business can choose to backdate the registration to their incorporation date or register from a current/later date. All depends on the type of business, type of customer, values involved, etc. My point being, HMRC have to spot the difference between a genuine error or a business trying to back out of their original application once the applicant has realised it will cost them money. You'll need to be patient and keep calling and writing to HMRC. Ask HMRC for a review of their decision and provide some additional information to clearly demonstrate how you made the error, use the link above as a guide to help formulate your response, I'd not bother mentioning things like "an EDR set to a date so long ago must be a mistake" as that statement is subjective/opinion. Find reasons why you made the error, was the form not clear, is English not your native language, did you mean April 2023 instead of Aril 2022, were you poorly advised by an Accountant, etc.